Dear readers' of NBN, my name is Rising Horus. Given a opportunity by Poiuytr, I would like to bring your attention to the possiblity that a pure hydrogen bomb (=a micro-nuke) was use at WTC, 911. Although most of you here know that 911 was an inside job, you may think I am crazy. After all, nukes are too big and too dirty. If it is used, anyone would notice
and the Geiger counters never stop buzzing.
But, they may already have a very small hydrogen bomb that produces little radiation. It is called a pure hydrogen bomb and is believed to be an application of "cold fusion." This theory was first proposed by an anonymous. Finnish military expert, which was followed by Dr. Ed Ward (a
contributer to Rense) and a Japanese internet journalist, Mr. Koshimizu. Note that they do not claim US did not use Thermite etc. (Perhaps, US used various bombs.)
Before you neglect without reading, please think of the following points. These are the things "Thermite theory" of Steven jones etc. perhaps cannot explain.
(Note also that Jones is a well-known expert of cold fusion.)
(1) Pool of melted steel beneath WTC, even months after 911.
(2) A lot of first responders became cancer.
(3) Hundreds of bodied evaporated. Today's DNA test is so developed
it can be done if just a tiny part of one's body is found.
(4) Concrete dust cloud. The particles were unnaturally fine.
(5) Unusual amount of Tritium (Hydrogen with 2 neutrons) was found at
WTC, as Ward claims.
Here's Koshimizu webpage. Please take a look. I also would like to hear your opinions. Please post your comments. If you are convinced, spread this information.
But, why trying to spread this theory? Perhaps, most of people think like this:
(A) It is very important to let people know that destruction of WTC was controlled demolition. But, it is not wise to discuss what kind of bombs were used, since only experts can understand it. Moreover, cold fusion (aka LENR) was
labelled as "pseudo-science." It is too dangerous to go into it.
It is true, of course. I used to think like that, too. However, the merits of spreading this theory is:
(B) US (at least, one faction of the ruling class of US) is trying to start a world war as a "final gamble" before they perish.
In that war, they would use pure-hydrogen bombs as secret weapons. So, letting people know this may prevent a nuclear exchange. (Most people are brainwashed to believe that nukes are too big and too dirty to be used. No, there may be very small nukes with little nuclear fallout. It can be used for "population reduction." )
As a byproduct, this information would make people realize that.
(C) Cold fusion (aka, solid fusion, or LENR) is real.
So, humans may not rely only on petrolium for energy source, which means that Rockefeller's days are over. The big wars in the last century were over petrolium. So, it means the
world may become safer.
If given a chance, I would like to write an article on energy
production via LENR, which is much more difficult than making bombs, since it must not let out radiation at all.
(Or goole it with "Arata-Zhang experiment," etc. Or,
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2008/NET29-8dd54geg.shtml#sputnik
for example.
In May 2008, Prof. Arata, Osaka university, decleared that he
successfully achieved "solid fusion" and excess heat and Helium was certainly detected, while no radiation was produced. This is a real breakthrough if true. But, essentially all the media neglected, as one could easily expect.)
133 comments:
How do you turn WTC structures with some 50 400m tall steel alloy columns that melt at 2500F into a pile of dust and molten lava pools?
Busch cabal said it was the plane, but that fire burned at the nominal 800F and besides plane fuel typically doesn't melt plane turbines, does it? If that was possible, why would steel welders drag around those O2 bottles if they could just weld with plane fuel torches.
Then Busch cabal said it was a pancake effect of floors crashing down. But where are the pancaked floors and where did the 400m tall steel structure go?
And how does a paper passport survive the inferno and magically floats to the top of the rubble so that even the USA cops can find it?
And how do you call Rudi G and all the cops on their radio to get out of the way before the towers went down, if no one knew?
How do you vapourise 2 Boeings including their titanium engines? Not even Las Vegas clowns can pull this off. And after you've evaporated the whole plane, how do you not evaporate the DNA so that you can identify and match every passenger?
And still, how do you know that this DNA belonged to a terrist? Did they have the terrist DNA prior?
And how do you fly an airliner at 500mph at sea level?
How do you land and evacuate a plane at Cleveland Int'l that was supposed to be lodged into the WTC tower?
And how do make sure USA defences are sleeping on that particular day? Does this mean Mr Bin Laden called Pentagon the night before and told them to sleep in?
How do you have 4 hijacked planes supposedly flying about off course for over hour without any action or even alarm?
How do you make calls on cell phones from flying planes when you can't do that today?
And how do you survive the crash, after you've made the call?
How did the hijackers survive?
LOL.....
and on and on and on and on...
It's about time the PIIGS start asking these fun questions in order to figure out where exactly all their pensions went.
Rising Horus and Poiuytr,
You are probably right to launch the 9/11 controversy again at this point. There's nothing to lose in so doing and perhaps much to be gained. To use a hydrogen bomb on your own people as a pretext to go to war is mind-boggling. For the PIIGS, in desperate need of weapons of counter-attack, it might just be the thing. Brave of both of you to try.
JapanToday.info - Keeping up with Japan
Japanese Have Washington Post Running Scared over 9/11
The issue, as framed by the U.S. ruling elite’s hometown house organ is very simple; a top insider in Japan’s new government has lost his marbles. The Washington Post’s apoplexy over the fact that Councilor Yukihisa Fujita isn’t buying the official version of what happened on September 11, 2001, is well reflected in the two headlines…
See original here:
Japanese Have Washington Post Running Scared over 9/11
The 9/11 Hijackers are Alive? (10.3.10) - RT
Video Interview With Dr. David Ray Griffin
According to the chief of Japans Democratic Party who says that the 9/11 hijackers are alive and that 9/11 was a complete hoax. Dr. David Ray Griffin is a professor and author who wrote The New Pearl Harbor Revisited and he says that he agrees; the World Trade Center was a hoax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9kEwQud4Ek
Link to 22:20 - The 9/11 Hijackers are Alive?
I hate to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but common sense forces me to ask: after nine long years, we have only managed to convince a handful here, a handful there of the truth of what happened on 9/11. Isn't it a bit too late to expect any dramatic reversal in people's position on the subject?
(poiuytr not signed in)
22:37 -- Is it too late for 911?
Not at all! Like fine wine, it gets better with time.
It's not about solving 911. That's obvious!
It's about shattering the west beast child murdering amalgam of fiends. Nothing else.
Japan opposition used it to gain power, stop feeding USA free oil, and begin the removal of the yank occupation.
PIIGS, unless they want to give their islands, what's left of their wealth, children, and children's organs away to the west beast, they too can ride the Y Fujita's 911 train to gain political power in their nations and lay claim to the embezzled funds Warshington and NATO took from them to fund the 911 predicated wars.
BTW, the same will have to happen even in USA one day. When Panarin's prediction come to pass, 911 will be the hottest topic on all yank baboon's brainstems.
Also, 911 is clean, free of political spin, and it happened in front of everyone's eyes. West central bank heist is a matter of speculation and we're all just caught up in adding trillions from various sources over the last 4 yrs but 911? It's clean and there's nothing west can do to wipe out the now worldwide proliferated evidence.
The only reason 911 has laid dormant for a decade is cuz it really didn't touch anyone physically, apart the victim's families who were all bought out with baboon's cash to keep their gobs shut.
Today, 911 is touching everyone in west for it's the quintessential reason for emptying all west baboon's pockets and driving them into the west terminal prolapse they're so enjoying today.
Having said, that, no, I don't think yank baboons, or germs, or frankensteins, or britzies will ever face it in their dictatorship lands.
But the west fringes like PIIGS? This is their proven ticket to some try to save themselves from total fiscal obliteration. That's all.
Whether Greeks and others understand it is another matter, but Y Fujita did.
Dear Poiuytr,
Thank you very much for letting me write an article on this topic.
I would really appreciate.
I was wrong about Fujita. It seems he has started again.
(It was me who posted it yesterday.)
From his position (the chief of "International Affairs" of the Democratic Party of Japan),
it is natural to guess that he is a "speaker" of a certain political group, as you may say.
This is perhaps not just an individual person's opinion.
And all of you here, in particular those who have some knowledge on
physics and/or explosives, please let me hear your opinions.
>21:56
Thanks. It is quite encouraging, because
in my everyday life I meet only a few people who take this theory seriously.
Rising Horus
>22:37
As Poiuytr said, it is not too late. Do not give up.
If more and more people know about it, the following phenomenon may happen.
(1) They cannot commit a new fake-terror so easily.
(2) Any political group against the West ruling class may use this topic
to threaten the West rulers. As Poiuytr thinks that it is now happening between Japan and US
and, in the future, some other nations may follow.
(3) Ultimately, in a coming domestic war (or a revolution) in the US,
the insurgents may use this.
Moreover,
(4) If the knowledge of secret weapons are spread,
public sentiment in the freeworld would be really against US
and the US armed forces could no longer use them so easily.
Rising Horus
What of those rooms filled with large banks of 'batteries'? One never hears them mentioned.
Some articles were published, which discuss the usage of micronukes in
various places like Iraq, Oklahoma, Bali, Beiruit, Afganistan, etc.
At least, there are researchers who really thinks micronukes were already used.
Please understand this is not a joke, nor non-sense, nor a "extreme" opinion.
Here are some links:
(1) IRAQ;
Detonations And Deceit
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2072.htm
The USA has already used Nuclear Weapons in GWI and Afghanistan,
and is duping us as it prepares to use them again in GWII
(2)OKC bombing;
Micronuclear Devices Used in OKC Bombing: Explosives Placed by
Dr. Bill Deagle MD | September 8 2004
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904okcbombing.htm
"There were micronuclear bombs placed on support pillars in the walls of
the Federal Building, by special units of the ATF and FBI.
They were paged out not to enter the building on the morning of the detonation,
and the Federal Judge was warned to cancel court that day. We removed to
undetonated softball sized micronuclear bombs,
and one C4 pineapple bomb, attached to the pillars of the remaining building."
(3)Beiruit(assassination of Prime minister Hariri);
Zionists Nuke Downtown Beirut - Again!
http://www.vialls.com/beirut/micronuke.html
In a desperate attempt to slow down their forthcoming defeat in Palestine,
Jewish Special Forces micro-nuke former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri,
then instruct western media outlets to falsely blame the atrocity on Syria Devoted
husband Rafik Hariri in happier days with wife Nazek, flanked on the left and right by
photographs of ground zero in Beirut, filmed before and after the micro-nuke was
detonated by remote control in an underground sewage conduit.
A large very clear image of the complete crater profile is shown further down
this page.
On 18 April 1983, Zionists bombed the American Embassy in Beirut, killing 63 people.
Then on 23 October the same year, Jewish 'Special Forces' war criminals
detonated two Dimona micro-nukes outside the American and French marine
barracks in Beirut, killing 241 and 58 soldiers respectively.
As with the murder of Rafik Hariri in 2005, western media outlets tried to 'false flag'
Hezbollah and Syria for the atrocities. Ground Zero in Beirut after micro-nuke
detonation on Monday. Crater diameter is 32 feet, and judging by
the angle of its exposed sides, has a total depth of between 12 and 14 feet.
The flat light grey matter in the center of the crater is actually flotsam floating
on seawater.
Rising Horus
Some articles were published, which discuss the usage of micronukes in
various places like Iraq, Oklahoma, Bali, Beiruit, Afganistan, etc.
At least, there are researchers who really thinks micronukes were already used.
Please understand this is not a joke, nor non-sense, nor a "extreme" opinion.
Here are some links:
(1) IRAQ;
Detonations And Deceit
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2072.htm
The USA has already used Nuclear Weapons in GWI and Afghanistan,
and is duping us as it prepares to use them again in GWII
(2)OKC bombing;
Micronuclear Devices Used in OKC Bombing: Explosives Placed by
Dr. Bill Deagle MD | September 8 2004
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904okcbombing.htm
"There were micronuclear bombs placed on support pillars in the walls of
the Federal Building, by special units of the ATF and FBI.
They were paged out not to enter the building on the morning of the detonation,
and the Federal Judge was warned to cancel court that day. We removed to
undetonated softball sized micronuclear bombs,
and one C4 pineapple bomb, attached to the pillars of the remaining building."
(3)Beiruit(assassination of Prime minister Hariri);
Zionists Nuke Downtown Beirut - Again!
http://www.vialls.com/beirut/micronuke.html
In a desperate attempt to slow down their forthcoming defeat in Palestine,
Jewish Special Forces micro-nuke former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri,
then instruct western media outlets to falsely blame the atrocity on Syria Devoted
husband Rafik Hariri in happier days with wife Nazek, flanked on the left and right by
photographs of ground zero in Beirut, filmed before and after the micro-nuke was
detonated by remote control in an underground sewage conduit.
A large very clear image of the complete crater profile is shown further down
this page.
On 18 April 1983, Zionists bombed the American Embassy in Beirut, killing 63 people.
Then on 23 October the same year, Jewish 'Special Forces' war criminals
detonated two Dimona micro-nukes outside the American and French marine
barracks in Beirut, killing 241 and 58 soldiers respectively.
As with the murder of Rafik Hariri in 2005, western media outlets tried to 'false flag'
Hezbollah and Syria for the atrocities. Ground Zero in Beirut after micro-nuke
detonation on Monday. Crater diameter is 32 feet, and judging by
the angle of its exposed sides, has a total depth of between 12 and 14 feet.
The flat light grey matter in the center of the crater is actually flotsam floating
on seawater.
Rising Horus
(4-1) Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses "Experts"
http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm
(4-2) Bali;
October 14, 2002
'We saw a fireball ten storeys high'
from tim johnston in kuta, bali
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4005-446515,00.html
The first explosion looked "like a car with a flame up through the middle of it",
said survivors. "Then we saw the fireball, and it was incredibly wide and probably
about ten storeys high just in flames alone. It was a mushroom cloud of flames,"
said Allen Joseph, who was taking a taxi back to his hotel after dinner with his
partner when they became
snarled in traffic less than 200 metres from the epicentre of the blast.
(5)Afganistan;
"Dear Editor,
I recently received an unconfirmable report of weapons used by the USA in Afghanistan, which melted rifles
in the hands of dead soldiers:
Perpetual Death From America
By Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD
Afghan-American Freelance Academic
Mdmiraki@ameritech.net 2-24-3
http://www.rense.com/general35/perp.htm
Many survivors died within a short time thereafter.
Having once been interested in these sorts of things, I know the duration and
energy output of a fuel-air or "thermobaric" bomb produces far too low an energy
density for this phenomenon to occur.
As America's intention to use thermbaric bombs was announced some days
in advance of their actual application, I pondered at the time if this were not
a cover-story, much as the cover-story to the first Alamogordo test, to explain
away in advance actual testing of tactical nuclear bunker-busters in Afghanistan.
Since the reports of melted weapons have surfaced, I urge you please,
to push this theme, as, if it were exposed as being a fact, the adverse publicity
would discredit the United States and Britain, and also prevent further usage of
these weapons, should the war against the hapless population of Iraq go ahead.
Thank you for your attention,
George Paxinos"
Rising Horus
Rising Horus, You've convinced us. But then we've been convinced since the very first week following the micro-nuke events. Only, we're short on physics. Does it really make any difference to dummies like myself whether the weapon used to disintegrate and demolish was thermonuclear or hydrogen? Just asking so we too know what to say when next questioned.
Japanese Have Washington Post Running Scared over 9/11
So Washington Post denies 9/11 holocaust?
Let's call it like it is and put the Washington Post on trial for denying the obvious - that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the Israeli Mossad and the CIA. This is not any more a theory as the former Italian President and ex-chief of that country's security agency went public some years back declaring that the world's security agencies all know this to be true. The only conclusion that can be drawn about the Washington Post is that it must have been a part of the conspiracy to murder 3000 Americans so as to create a pretext for the fraudulent American war-on-terror which has cost another 1.5 million lives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza and made refugees of several million more.
Washington post derisions make no difference
People can't just shut up to the obvious.
The buildings collapsed into their own foot prints at free fall speed? Yeah, sure.
R Horus, another popular version of what brought WTC down:
Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses
What demolition experts use in steel framed buildings is the linear shaped charge ... It generates around 3,000,000 psi pressure ... at a speed in excess of 27,000 feet per second ... There are over 1000 different types of explosive ... With the use of delays we can control ... where the debris lands ... vibration ... noise level.
Why were high velocity explosives detonating in the vicinity of WTC?
Fantastic, doom-laden pix!
If the Washington Post (or American media in general) hate on you, that means you are doing something right.
Pure hydrogen bombs as secret US weapons if a Third World War breaks out? Whew! Yes, it's a good idea to spread this particular piece of news as far and wide as possible.
Link to Koshimizu's website seems dead;
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/hb1.htm
Rising Horus
>08:20
It took me a few years to realize the possibility of nukes. You are clever and I really don't have much valuable info for those people.
Basically, this article is for people who still do not know about 911-nuke theory.
Rising Horus
But, maybe, Part (C) of my article worth reading.
And, an important point is that if this is true,they now have USABLE nukes. (Because those bombs can be made small or big and produce little radiation.)
"Mutual Destruction Theory" in the Cold War days may be dead.
By the way, had such a small thermonuclear hydrogen bomb been already invented?
Even though there are lots of Truth seekers in the West, only a few take up this topic.Jeff Rense is an exception. But, are there so many?
For example, Alex Jones never talks about this.It is a very difficult topic academically, so it is somewhat understandable that Jones etc. do not agree so easily. But why didn't they just bring this possibility to readers' attention, and let each reader decide whether this theory should be taken seriously or not?
So,I guesses, there are still many people who have not known this. Basically, this article is for them.
Rising Horus
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Dr. Ed Ward is furious.
Joneses, 911 'Truth' Still Silent On Proven 'Anomalies'? By Ed Ward, MD 1-26-8
http://www.rense.com/general80/prov.htm
Will the Joneses and 911 'Truth' Orgs Ever Legitimately Address the Referenced, Verifiable, Proven Facts that Are, In Total, Only Consistent With Micro ThermoNuclear Usage and which Have Never Been Noted
or Addressed on a Scientific Level?
Steven Jones, Alex Jones, 911 'Truthers' Orgs, Still Seem to Be Denying, Misrepresenting and Doing Their Best to Ignore the Following Facts and More. Why? This is a profound and crucial question.
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For your info. If you are interested, please visit the following websites and judge by yourself.
Rising Horus
(These are perhaps in chronological order.)
●Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11
http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm
●Koshmizu (the same one as above)
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/hydrobomb.htm
●The US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC (Dr. Ed Ward)
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/24/ward.htm
Update: http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm
Update: Proves Micro Nukes in the WTC
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/04/16/ward.htm
Thanks for all the interesting links, Rising Horus. We're doing our best to give all of this the kind of publicity it deserves.
Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Knew 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who set up Operation Gladio told Italy's largest newspaper in 2007 that attacks were run by CIA, Mossad
Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.
Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.
Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician -and led the country for seven years until April 1992.
Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
If even a highly respected politician like Cossiga didn't manage to make a difference in the perception of the world about 9/11, I despair that we bloggers will make enough difference. But that's no reason to take refuge in passivity, there I agree.
For some, the search for what happened on 9/11 isn't over - 10 March, 2010
Jesse Ventura's new book American Conspiracies questions the government's position on 9/11. Below, an article of his on the same topic which was banned.
Propeller By Jesse Ventura (1)
You didn't see anything about it in the mainstream media, but two weeks ago at a conference in San Francisco, more than one thousand architects and engineers signed a petition demanding that Congress begin a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11.
That's right, these people put their reputations in potential jeopardy because they don't buy the government's version of events. They want to know how 200,000 tons of steel disintegrated and fell to the ground in 11 seconds. They question whether the hijacked planes were responsible – or whether it could have been a controlled demolition from inside that brought down the twin towers and Building 7.
Richard Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects and the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, put it like this: "The official Federal Emergency Management [Agency] and National Institute of Standards and Technology reports provide insufficient, contradictory and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction." He's especially disturbed by Building 7, whose 447 stories came down in "pure free-fall acceleration" that afternoon – even though it was never hit by an aircraft.
This is a subject I take up in my new book, American Conspiracies, published this week by Skyhorse. An excerpt follows:
Some people have argued that the twin towers went down, within a half hour of one another, because of the way they were constructed. Well, those 425,000 cubic yards of concrete and 200,000 tons of steel were designed to hold up against a Boeing 707, the largest plane built at the time the towers were completed in 1973. Analysis had shown that a 707 traveling at 600 miles an hour (and those had four engines) would not cause major damage. The twin-engine Boeing 757s that hit on 9/11 were going 440 and 550 miles an hour.
Propeller (2)
Still, we are told that a molten, highly intense fuel mixture from the planes brought down these two steel-framed skyscrapers. Keep in mind that no other such skyscraper in history had ever been known to collapse completely due to fire damage. So could it actually have been the result of a controlled demolition from inside the buildings? I don't claim expertise about this, but I did work four years as part of the Navy's underwater demolition teams, where we were trained to blow things to hell and high water. And my staff talked at some length with a prominent physicist, Steven E. Jones, who says that a "gravity driven collapse" without demolition charges defies the laws of physics. These buildings fell, at nearly the rate of free-fall, straight down into their own footprint, in approximately ten seconds. An object dropped from the roof of the 110-story-tall towers would reach the ground in about 9.2 seconds. Then there's the fact that steel beams that weighed as much as 200,000 pounds got tossed laterally as far as 500 feet.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) started its investigation on August 21, 2002. When their 10,000-page-long report came out three years later, the spokesman said there was no evidence to suggest a controlled demolition. But Steven E. Jones also says that molten metal found underground weeks later is proof that jet fuel couldn't have been all that was responsible. I visited the site about three weeks after 9/11, with Governor Pataki and my wife Terry. It didn't mean anything to me at the time, but they had to suspend digging that day because they were running into heat pockets of huge temperatures. These fires kept burning for more than three months, the longest-burning structure blaze ever. And this was all due to jet fuel? We're talking molten metal more than 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Probably the most conclusive evidence about a controlled demolition is a research paper (two years, nine authors) published in the peer-reviewed Open Chemical Physics Journal, in April 2009. In studying dust samples from the site, these scientists found chips of nano-thermite, which is a high-tech incendiary/explosive. Here's what the paper's lead author, Dr. Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen's chemistry department, had to say about the explosive that he's convinced brought down the Twin Towers and the nearby Building 7:
"Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 degrees Centigrade. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron. So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel."
Richard Gage is one of hundreds of credentialed architects and structural engineers who have put their careers on the line to point out the detailed anomalies and many implications of controlled demolition in the building collapses. As he puts it bluntly: "Once you get to the science, it's indisputable."
Sorry, yet another thermite-destruction proponent, posted here simply because it appeared today. But as you say yourself, Rising Horus, perhaps the US used several types of bombs to put one off the scent.
> 20:08
I understand what you mean to some extent.
Yes, it seems almost impossible for bloggers to change people's perception
in TODAY's situation.
I would like to emphasize the following point, however.
If more and more people know about this, how would they react
when SOMETHING NEW happens?
(Moreover, if the rulers realize that a lot of poeple know,
then they might give up before carrying out a evil plan.)
As Poiuytr often points out, the West financial system is essentially dead,
so they have to do something before the US dollar really dies.
It is very likely that they have plans of new fake terrors and wars, etc.
When it is carried out, the SITUATION WILL CHANGE.
Spreading this kind of knowledge makes big difference
in such cases in the FUTURE (not necessarily NOW).
For exmaple, suppose that a huge explosion happened in your neighborhood today
and the media told it is a terror attack.
How would you react?
If you have never heard about micro-nuke theory, you might go into the site to help,
then you would die of cancer soon after like hundreds of the "first responders" of 911.
Rising Horus
A slightly funny info.
A magazine called "Popular Mechanics" warned its readers
about HOMEMADE H-BOMBS in August 2004.
******
Jed Rothwell, "Cold fusion and the future"
Click the link below (look at p. 107, or p. 103):
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf
Figure 12.1. The lurid cover story in Popular Mechanics, August 2004,
was “America’s Worst Nightmare:
Homebuilt H-Bombs, Cold Fusion Technology Enables Anyone to Build a Nuke
from Commonly Available Materials.”
******
At least, this magazine believes such bombs do exist.
Does anyone here have any info about this magazine?
Rising Horus
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By the way, Rothwell is a science journalist (or a researcher) who
fight for the cold-fusion researchers.
This might have been a good survey for non-experts, but as I stated,
things have changed a lot since Prof. Arata decleared his success in
what -is-now-called Arata-Zhang experiment.
Rising Horus, you make a good, eventually life-saving point at 05:31. Thanks.
As for Homebuilt H-Bombs, fascinating. We'll keep an eye open for anything of interest on Popular Mechanics, a magazine which has been around for sometime now, but which, up until now, never seemed to have any political dimension.
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report
Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. - March 2005 issue.
From the moment the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?
Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.
Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.
To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.
In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.
A rebuttal to the above was written by Peter Meyer shortly afterwards. Intro below:
Popular Mechanics recently came out with an issue in which the main story was called 9/11: Debunking The Myths: "PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11." Really? Upon examination it turns out to be a shoddy piece of disinfo produced in a desperate attempt to defend against the fact that Americans are finally waking up and realizing that 9/11 was an inside job, that about 3000 people died at the hands of elements within their own government.
Popular Mechanics presented sixteen "Claims", which it attributed to 9/11 "conspiracy theorists", and to each one added its "Fact", which it intended to be a debunking of the "Claim". These "Claims" and "Facts" are reproduced verbatim in the boxes below, followed by a reply to Popular Mechanics' "debunking". The section headings are the titles used by Popular Mechanics, and the order of the sixteen items follows their order in the magazine.
It is not the intention of this article to defend all of the "Claims" given by Popular Mechanics. Some of them may in fact be ludicrous. This is the "straw man" tactic, where an intellectually dishonest proponent sets up some ridiculous claim, which he attributes to "conspiracy theorists", and then proceeds to knock it down. This tactic is well-known to intelligent people, though apparently Popular Mechanics does not regard its readership as belonging to that class.
When thinking about the attacks on the World Trade Center one should keep in mind the layout of the complex. Here is a diagram showing WTC 1 (the North Tower), WTC 2 (the South Tower) and WTC 7, and the impact points.
Where's The Pod?
No Stand-Down Order
Flight 175's Windows
Intercepts Not Routine
Widespread Damage
"Melted" Steel
Puffs Of Dust
Seismic Spikes
WTC 7 Collapse
Big Plane, Small Holes
Intact Windows
Flight 77 Debris
The White Jet
Roving Engine
Indian Lake
F-16 Pilot
Summary
Further Considerations
Cui Bono?
Concluding Remarks
Pop Mechanics is an establishment politics publication. Yet that 2004 article Rising H mentions above seems to point at some subtlety: Giving hints, tips even, in an effort to get the message across. 9/11 theories have gone through various stages of refinement ending presently in the hydrogen compact, small-size bomb explosion possibility. Along with Rising Horus, we too believe these were used not only in WTC, but elsewhere: Bali, Beirut, etc. The science seems sound enough, the rest is a question of commons sense.
If a micro hydrogen bomb set off in USA could help the Japanese to liberate themselves from US subservience, I'm all in favour. Think what a few of those in Afghan Resistance hands could achieve! If it's as easy to make as Popular Mechanics claimed, perhaps every home should be equipped with one. And the Greek demonstrators out in the streets today could have done wonders with a bomb or two in their rucksacks. The trouble with the people has always been they're armed only with their own courage and integrity.
Not too late for 9/11 to be exposed thoroughly, down to the exact nature of the micronuke used.
Israel must be thinking that it has got away with the crime of the century (9/11) as they have said "Yeah, we did it, so what! What are you going to do about it, it's time to move on...." We have the money trail, the WTC insurance scam, the publicly televised admission from the 5 Israelis in Battery Park that they were sent by Mossad to film the towers being attacked, the statement from former Italian President and ex-chief of the security agency that Israel & the CIA were behind 9/11.
In terms of how it was done they had NIST working on their behalf to obfuscate the technical issues and the mass media working to put a lid on eveything. But now NIST has been thoroughly discredited on WTC7 and the Washington Post can't get it's foot out of it's own mouth when it mentions 9/11. Proponents of the NWO made a huge mistake with 9/11 and they are going to get buried by it.
Off topic, Dear Rising: Don't know whether you can help out here, but let's try. What do you make of the news being spread so gleefully by mainstream media that Hatoyama's popularity ratings are considerably down?
>10:25
Although I do not completely understand the current political affairs in Japan,
some of my thoughts are as follows:
1) It is perhaps true that Hatoyama's popularity ratings are down,
mainly because of economic hardship and of the bribery scandal of both Hatoyama and Ozawa.
2) But, I suppose the number is exaggerated, because all of the major media is against Democratic Party.
Remember that it is easy to fabricate a social research or a poll.
Strongest supporters of DPJ at present are: big labor unions, old farmers in rural area,
those in economic hardship (unemployed, etc.) due to Mori/Koizumi/Abe's "neoliberal" economic policy.
It seems to me very few of them changed their idea.
3) The most important event in the near future is the election of Upper House next summer.
Democratic Party holds less than half right now. If it wins , it can control BOTH Houses.
Even if DPJ's rating is down, Liberal Democratic Party's victory is very unlikely, simply because it is more hated.
4) Since LDP has been in power for a long time, there are really many scandals yet to be exposed.
Expect a counter-offensive of DPJ in May or June. It is still a bit too early to start such a campaign.
Earliest polls for the coming election was started, which shows DPJ is likely to win,
despite Hatoyama/Ozawa scandals.
Rising Horus
There are probably some questions such as:
(a) Is it important to discuss which kind of bombs were used?
(b) What is the meaning of spreading "nuke-theory" ?
(c) Is a micronuke worth than Thermite/Semtex/C4/etc., if the destruction power is similar?
Yes, I agree. It's true.
But, when they ask these questions, they perhaps view this incident as an independent one
that happened in the PAST. Don't they?
In such a framework of thinking, they may be right.
But, let's think of FUTURE events.
Some people including myself really think that we are in the midst of a thirty-year war,
which will totally change the world's political structure.
From such a viewpoint, you can easily find merits of discussing or spreading the micronuke-theory.
Here are some of my thoughts:
(I) It is most important to know your enemy's favorite tactics and to expose SECRET ones.
I am certain that they will use micronukes again, unless someone tries to stop them.
(If their aim is for threatening or deterrence, why do they hide micronukes?)
Rising Horus
(continued)
(II) If people of the (free)world understood it,
then there would be a tectonic shift of world public opinion against US.
Pro-US factions all over the world would lose face and lose political power.
Using a nuke has long been a taboo, though unwritten or implicit. But, US broke it.
Moreover, US attacked Iraq because Iraq was supposed to have WMD
and Iran is now being bullied because it is trying to acquire nukes.
But, US actually USED nukes. Everyone would get really furious once they found that.
(III) Even if we try, US/Israel will use them in the coming war in the middle east.
In such a case, this kind of knowledge may save a lot of lives, as I stated in 05:31.
If there are middle-easterner in this blog, please discuss this topic with your friends.
And the first responders of 911. If they knew, the medical treatment could be more proper.
It is not that the cause of cancer is mystery. Simply, discussing the cause is not allowed.
If there are yanks reading this, tell the patients about this mcronuke-theory.
And many patients of "asthma." Is that really asthma is the normal sense?
Some researchers argue that the cause of such asthma is the very small radioactive particle
taken in deep inside the lungs. If this is true, they may have lung cancer sooner or later.
Rising Horus
(continued)
(IV) In my view, breaking the nuke-taboo is very annoying. It's so frightning.
Let's consider this question. "Is a exchange of micronuke deadly?"
The answer may be NO, if it is just that.
But the country attacked may avenge with a slightly bigger one,
simply because it does not have nukes as "micro" as the one it was fed.
(Recall that making nukes smaller is difficult.)
Then, .... you can guess.
An exchange of micronuke can escalate to an exchange of not-so-micro ones,
which could ruin the whole planet.
On the other hand, an exchange of SEMTEX/Thermite (or whatever) does not
destroy the whole world, even if very much escalated.And, I suppose, no politician has a courage to use nukes in retaliation for being attacked by usual bombs. No one would accept such an excuse for using nukes.
> To Westerners, in particular Yanks,
As Panarin says, it is quite likely that US will be disintegrated after US dollar dies.
It means domestic wars. You agree?
Both sides have lots of nukes. Isn't it very scary? What do you think would happen if the nuke-taboo was discarded, taking into account the fact that
US ruling elites have never cared loss of human lives?
Unless you change your behavior, it may be your turn to get killed.Are you really going to throw away the nuke-taboo, without making any efforts.
(By the way, there is no possibility that US could safely go through this long war,
since US is the CAUSE or SOURCE of the world's problems, as many people point out.
Until the cause is taken out, a trouble will never end.)
Rising Horus
Beautiful, Rising Horus, You've really thought things through. And sentence after sentence, you made absolute sense. No holding back now. We're going to tackle it in the way you suggest. Spread the word...
Lawsuits regarding 9/11...
I heard a news report that thousands will be claiming compensation against the US government for long-term health damage resulting from smoke inhalation after the twin towers fell.
If this is paid, surely the US gov is admitting responsibility for the fall of those towers (ie that they were indeed "pulled", probably to stop debris falling over an even wider area if the towers collapsed "naturally"). I've never understood why they didn't come clean on this part of proceedings, but I guess this is a huge amount of money.
Mini nuke not credible, but Nano-Thermite is real
Rising Horus, there is evidence that nano-thermite was used to bring down the
WTC towers. Scientists have found thermitic particles in WTC dust,
which were still ignitable. There is a scientific article about their
findings available at Bentham Open Journals:
h t t p://www.bentham-open.org/crdsb/?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001
Title: "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"
pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
There have never been found any hints to a nuclear detonation in the WTC debris, neither radioactive particles nor gamma radiation.
absolutely nothing.
There exists some type of mini nuke, but not in the form as described. "Pure hydrogen bombs" do not exist, and if they did, they surely were not based on cold fusion, as cold fusion itself does only work to a minute extent under laboratory conditions.
The problem with Mini nukes is that one must overcome the natural size limit imposed by the required 'critical mass' of fissible material.
Below this critical mass, the device would not be able anymore to start a chain reaction on its own.
It is possible to make a "Mini nuke" with a relatively small amount of fissible material, if a neutron inflector shield is applied around the fissible core. Such an inflector shield must be able to slow down the
fast neutrons emanating from the fissible core and deflect them right back into the core, where they can trigger more nuclear decays and
boost the chain reaction, despite a relatively low core volume of only 200-300ccm. Usually such an inflector shield is a complicated device, resembling an onion, consisting of many alternate layers of beryllium, boron and
other neutron moderating elements and alloys.
There is some evidence that such a mini nuke as described above was used at Baghdad International Airport during the US invasion of Iraq. The radiation pattern and the radioactively contaminated debris found
after a huge blast destroying a vast part of the military compartment of Baghdad International Airport, was clearly hinting to such a device.
>23:03
Yes, a special kind of thermite might have been used, as you say.
I also admit that I am no expert and have no ability to discuss technical details.
That being said, let me raise the questions (1)--(5) in my article above once again
and let the reader's common sense judge whether micro-nuke theory should be taken seriously.
In particular, (2) and (5). Can (nano)-thermite produce tritiums and cause cancer that much?
As for tritium, it was Ed Ward who had the tritium-test done.
So, interested readers may find valuable info in Ward's website.
As for cancer, I cannot find sources in English right now, though there are actually many.
When I find some, I will paste them here. Or, please search by yourself.
Also look at the types of cancers. Those are the nasty ones that are often found among
patients exposed to radioation. (I forgot the medical jargons, for I am not a native speaker ofEnglish. Sorry.)
Articles in NY Post may be exception, but all the mainstream media and most of 911 Truthers
neglect this phenomena. The first responders are heroes, aren't they?
WHY DO THEY HIDE THIS?
Rising Horus
An expert's opinion: Samuel Cohen is a physisist and an expert of neutron bombs.
Rising Horus
●Samuel Cohen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Cohen
●The Nuclear Threat That Doesn't Exist – or Does It?
by Sam Cohen and Joe Douglass March 11, 2003
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/douglass/2003/0311.html
【Pure Fusion Warheads
The small tactical battlefield neutron bomb is the closest kin to a pure-fusion device.
The principle difference is that in a pure-fusion device, the plutonium fission component is entirely eliminated.
The pure-fusion device relies on the same deuterium-tritium mixture to create its burst of high-energy neutrons,
but is designed to accomplish this “burn” without the use of any fissionable material. Thus, while still packing a neutron wallop,
its explosive yield – the part that does the most physical damage – is much smaller because it lacks the fission component.
What little explosive yield remains can be as little as one hundredth the size of the small tactical battlefield neutron bomb.】
●DEVELOPMENT OF NEW LOW-YIELD NUCLEAR WEAPONS
by Sam Cohen and Joe Douglass March 9, 2003
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/douglass/2003/0309.html
【To understand the reasons behind this concern, consider the small sizes into which very respectable yields can be packaged.
Warheads whose weight lies in the 30 to 150 pound range can “have yields as low as 50 tons (high explosive equivalent)
to tens of kilotons, several times the size of the first nuclear weapons that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The most available warheads and easiest to manage would be in the 100 ton to 1 or 2 kiloton range.
Insofar as size is concerned, an implosion nuclear warhead could be as small as a soccer ball and weigh less than 50 pounds. 】
Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons
Andre Gsponer
February 11, 2008
Military effectiveness and collateral effects
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6254
911 WTC Nuclear Toroid-Shaped Gas Pattern
More Evidence To Support The Nuclear Melting Of Cars At The WTC
By Ted Twietmeyer c. 2008 Ted Twietmeyer 5-11-8
http://www.rense.com/general81/d3hr.htm
Rsing Horus
Paint Job
Only distributed explosive material is consistent with the Jewish stocktaking so we can hypothesize an extensive paint job on WTC 1, 2 and 7. Having found widely distributed nano-thermite around the WTC complex we can conclude that what was painted was nano-thermite.
Depleted Uranium may have been used in the building which would explain some radioactivity.
As for mini-nukes, this would appear also to be a paint job to confuse and distract from the proven use of nano-thermite.
The USA "government" conspiracy theory is in tatters.
Rising Horus
Let me take this opportunity to welcome you to the site. With respect to the theory you posited, all I would say to that is: anything is possible when US is involved. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to speak on these technical matters.
>09:06
Thanks. I was a great fan of Poiuytr, since he was at iraqwar.ru a few years ago.
I found this blog a few months ago by using google search.
How many and which kind of people are hanging around here?
I guess there are paerhaps only a few westners for apparent reasons,
but everyone writes fluent English.
Are they intellectual in non-went contries, or are they non-white in West?
It's a bit surprising to me if a lot of westerners visit this site, despite Poiuytr's very harsh criticism.
(completely off topic, sorry)
>08:21
I don't think that so much DU is used. Isn't is for armor-piercing basically?
So, DU theory cannot explain why hundreds of people had cancer.
DU doessn't produce tritiums, I suppose.
It does not seem that any of (1)-(5) has been answered.
Rising Horus
Hi, there, Rising Horus. Let me begin by saying I ove your nickname. It's full of promise and symbolic value. I hope you go far in convincing the world of what you believe in.
As regards your question about bloggers here, you guess right. Many of us, whether living here or not, are certainly non-west. Asian descent, African descent and the like. But some westerners there are as well. I imagine one of the Blog masters here, James W. is of West origin. Poiuytr's ancestry is shrouded in mystery. But, very likely, he too is probably more west than not. Enlightened west, goes without saying. To the best of my knowledge, we also have a German or two, some from France and some from Canada, also sympathetic to the views expressed on this blog.
Another matter. You're pretty fluent in English yourself. Never give it a second thought and never let it stop you from putting down what you mean.
Apart from the how of what happened on 9/11, let's look at who's doing the most amount of work on this sensitive subject.
There's Russia Today. Hardly a day goes by without a feature on 9/11 from them. Their reach is mostly via youtube videos. The Japanese are growing quite active in this field as well.
One thing those tasked with the continuing cover up of 9/11 don't want to see are civilian trials. Those could prove to possibly be too enlightening. Don't expect the bogus 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to ever see the inside of a civilian court.
Today there's the announcement of a 'deal' with ground zero workers in a victim's compensation settlement for their illnesses. Hush money? It's very convenient that most likely there will be no trials.
Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein does his job once again in the cover up.
So where does this lead us? Is 9/11 truth destined to be like the JFK assassination where most everyone knows the official story was a lie but it doesn't matter? Where the government and media win the cover up wars and we're all dead before the truth may finally be known, if ever?
Or is there a plan to slowly allow the truth to become known even to the most 'head in the sand' Americans who are scared of the facts? And to what purpose? The collapse of the US and a solution imposed that may involve something along the lines of a world government to keep this from ever happening again?
9/11 truth is not going away. We'll just have to wait and see how it all falls out but the more we know and see how we are being manipulated, the better our chances are to survive.
Except for very marginal peoples, no one will break the silence and expose the treason of 9/11 in USA. - Easy answer is that the US op provided the cover while the CIA's cousin, MOSSAD brought the thermite from Dimona - Same explanation for the Oklahoma Bombs, some unexploded as watched live during their removal from the building straight to the memory hole - The recovered interior military grade explosives were never mentioned by the Press again - Who is the world's biggest cheerleader for hate and war? ...
One of the best and most insightful analyses of how America organized and perpetuated the crime of the century:
9/11 SYNTHETIC TERRORISM: MADE IN USA
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf
"The disastrous 9/11 attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the ArabicCountries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Former Italian Prime Minister Francesco Cossiga
Yet another 9/11 Inside Job link:
http://www.bushstole04.com/911/9-11_videos_embedded.htm
All of the video evidence of planes
(by humbaba)
at the towers is fake. The first thing to be understood is that the wtc atrocity was a telivisual scam in the fashion of the moon landings. Once this is understood and the perps brought to heel, then the methods of demolition may usefully be discussed with them. All discussion about unknowns is useless and circular. What is known is that all and every piece of footage - so called amateur as well as so called professional - is now known to be fake. Please see 'September Clues' for the most full account of the audacious demolition money scam yet.
cheers
Rising Horus, When this thread is over, I hope you'll remain a permanent member of this blog. It has been a great pleasure, intellectual and otherwise, to have got to know you through this posting.
so much , so clearly not the Bush/Neocon version, so few thinking logically
Sandy
all evidence points to thermite so far.
The congress have to have a further investigation after the 1000 plus signature petition from the 911 truty group of architects and engineers- a group not classically associated with anythins but rigid thinking.
right now "they " are trying ideas to explain the implossion of the towers ,esp the tricky WTC 7. The latest mouthpiece was talking of how the "terrorists" planted bombs in teh towers..........
join the dots.
48hr CCTV surveillance down the weekend before. Which was the secutiry company incharge of the twin towers , esp that weekend? Which leasee had been told by the Port authority he had a hundreds of millions dollar bill to remove the asbestos from his twin towers ? Which leasee had an appointment with the pushy PA about this on the morning of 911 on the top floor...but missed it...they didnt it seems....?
Which leasee 6 weeks earlier signed off on the insurance and insisted upon terorism clause? A cool ?6billion if the towers collapse completely , otherwise just repair job........
Which leasee wanted the Negev desert freetrade area prior ....and did he get it after all the favours he did?
billions.....
for a few well placed charges and a play with the Homerun technology.Bit of a surprise for the original organisers methinks.
And what of the share trading, short selling the insurance companies and airlines?
What of the Odigo messenger system warning 2 hours prior that morning?
What of the International Group of Five who were there to "document" the event and high fived and made jokes on the camera with the cigaretter lighter as Americans were crushed and burned?
Truly it was almost america's darkest moments.The darkest were those after as the lies covered this terrible crime against her people and all she stood for. May the traitors withing, the fifth column, be shown for who they are.May they have what they met to others.
Logic is the clear light that shows the way things have happened. Illuminating. What concerns me is that all the chutzpah of recent times suggest a similar event about to occur to push against the next "common" enemy.
the closer to realisation the more dangerous this group become.
How many kicks in the face until americans wake up and smell the roses that used to be theirs.
Imagine this, imagine if the UAE police chief had investigated 911 rather than the stooges that did. world peace by now.
zap
>18:43
mmmm.... poiuytr is not a Russian?
I have thought he is a Russian because he praised Russia so much.
And the founder, James W., is a westner! A bit surprising.
Anyway, thanks for info.
>10:16
Basically, it is OK. It is a pleasure for me, too.
But, before that let me ask one question.
What is a permanent member and what does he/she (has to) do?
R.H.
A permanent member has no specific duties. Just comes to the blog regularly. Reads things. Adds comments. Offers news or links. Writes something as you did above and gets it posted.
About the origin of our blogmasters, no one really knows. I think what you read there were the guesses of one particular blogger. Who knows where people come from. We are usually - and quite rightly so - very private in our public dealings.
>14:47
I see. Then, let be become a permanent member. (If that's the definition, in a sense, I may be already one, however.)
I had no intention to sniff around other members.I was just curious. Sorry, if someone felt unpleasant.
Lovely! Three cheers! Three times welcome to this site. You belong here as we all do. And no excuses needed. Your curiosity was wholly legitimate. Ask any questions you feel like. Only remember, we don't always know the answers.
Together, we'll be going places, as they say. Where exactly? Well, towards the truth and the ultimate release of the Freeworld! It's a worthy cause.
No need for this hypothesis. Mini-nuke is useless in this case, it will not actually completely obliterate the structure. Yes, I'm not kidding, a mini-nuke was not enough to take down the WTC completely like it had, it needed to be destroyed systemically using a chemical reaction like thermite.
In fact, nano-thermite chips have already been discovered at the site so ... yeah there's no need for further speculation. Most reasonable people consider the WTC demolition problem solved, it is only the details that remain — who, when and why. We already know how they did it. I wonder whether this whole thing is simply a distraction to discredit already researched information. It's not the first time such a thing would have happened.
See in what insulting terms the USan media speaks of Y. Fujita:
“The only thing novel about Mr. Fujita is that a man so susceptible to the imaginings of the lunatic fringe happens to occupy a notable position in the governing apparatus of a nation that boasts the world’s second-largest economy.” – Washington Post editorial, March 8, 2010.
A mini-nuclear bomb would blow a huge gaping hole in the WTC and there will still remain part of it standing, however surrounding buildings would also get damaged in an instant. You can clearly see that a mini-nuke would not fit the bill in this case. It was clearly a controlled demolition and all the evidence points to the use of high-tech nano-thermite that only certain military organisations would posses.
What interests me as well is the fact that no one is discussing the use of neutron bombs (and inside them, mini-nukes as the trigger) during the Baghdad airport battle. Here is something you can easily expose! Even in their military doctrine they state that they will use nuclear weapons if they're surprised in battle.
On the 8th of March 2010 Cynthia Mckinney (a former US Congresswoman and 2008 Green Party Presidential nominee) and Dr Nafeez Ahmed (best selling author and political scientist) address a meeting of Members of Parliament on the subject of the need for an independent investigation into the events of September 11th 2001. The link below gives the YouTube videos of what they had to say. Another bomb gently lobbed against a 9/11 bastion.
http://www.infowars.com/cynthia-mckinney-and-dr-nafeez-ahmed-discuss-911-in-uk-parliament/
From comments on latest NBN:
Anonymous said...
"9/11, ABC, the Washington Post, and Too Many Holes to Plug"
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/220080
16/3/10 12:54
Hi, Rising Horus, Where are you? Are we to consider this thread is over? Will you return to give us a conclusion?
It might be a coincidence, but since you started this topic, 911 discussions suddenly seemed to be all over the place, as though your questions and doubts had once again ignited the topic, giving it new life. Well done.
>08:19
Please do not neglect (1)--(5).In particular, (2)cancer & (5)tritium.
Cancer is the best place to start a discussion over this topic with someone else,because everyone knows what cancer is.
I guess they have some kind of technology that controls angle of explosion(only UPWARD in this case).It could have been a real tragedy for pigeons and crows flying over WTC, too.
Again, an article from Rense.com
http://www.rense.com/general69/BMBB.HTM
>13:13
Thanks for info.
>07:42
I am here. I visit this blog at least once a day. Because I am a newcomer, I actually don't know how you do on this blog. I thought everyone has already moved to a new thread of Poiuytr's NBN.
If some of you would like to continue, let's continue. If there are questions, I would answer.(But, my knowledge is included in Ward-Koshimizu's argument. So, interseted readers should visit thier webpages.)
What do you mean by "conclusion" ? My answer to the title of the topic? As you guess, the answer is; "Yes, they did and perhaps they will again."
Do the bunker-busters they just shipped to Diego Garcia have nuke-warheads? I don't know. But, one has to worry. Let's hope not.
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_weapons_and_global_security/nuclear_weapons/technical_issues/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html
Rising Horus
OK, Rising. You've convinced us at least, if others have expressed strong doubts about your hypothesis. Micro-nuke, tritium, cancer. As you said, cancer is something everyone knows. No PhD required. But the controlled-demolition lot are clearly in the lead. We'll give them a run for their money.
re:thread. We go backwards and forwards between the latest NBN and your ongoing Micro-nuke site. No problem there. Perhaps you could ask poiuytr your question about the Deigo Garcia bunker-busters. If they are that. One person I respect a great deal dismissed the whole thing out of hand. Said USans didn't have the technology for such a thing. It's all just talk.
>12:17
Maybe just a bluff, as your friend says.
Actually, I do not have enough knowledge to discuss over bunker busters.I wrote it just because many people posted articles on shipment of BBs to Diego Garcia.
Also, concere dust cloud may be a good point.
It seems that almost all concrete (in the basement) of 911 were blown off
and turned into very small particles.
Can a thermite or any conventional bomb do this? Normally, we find "concrete blocks" of size 10cm cube, 20cm cube, 50cm cube, say, here and there, when a building is bombed. Why did all of concrete become powders.
For those who prefer watching videos than reading articles.Here is Koshimizu's video. As a reply to emails from abroad, he made this one.
1/9 911 Inside Job and Hereafter (Modified) by Richard Koshimizu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akrne8XYwRY&feature=fvw
In my personal experience, I found that almost nobody got interested in this topic,
even among those who know 911 is an inside job.So, it's nice seeing some people here take it seriously. Thanks, everyone.
16:25 is my post. Rising Horus
Rising Horus, much in the preceeding discussion I didn't find easy to understand. But I did understand what Steven Jones was saying when he claimed that he found what he calls ZERO RADIOACTIVITY in the WTC dust samples he tested with a Geiger counter. What do you make of it? How would you explain the absence of radioactivity? You say, I think, that a pure hydrogen bomb emitting very little radiation must have been used. But there does seem to be a differance between Zero radioactivity and some slight traces of radioactive emission. Or am I totally wrong?
>21:56
In theory, a pure hydrogen bomb should not let out any radiation, but US probably did not have such an idealistic one, I suppose. So, some neutron ray may have been produced, although it was very little when compared with radiations from usual small nukes. (Neutron ray disappears within a few weeks or so.)
Ordinary Geiger counters detect alpha-ray, etc., but they do not detect neutron ray. (I heard that expensive Geiger counters can detect neutrons.) If S. Jones used an inexpensive one, he was not lying, in a sense, when he said "No radaition found." It was not known there were micronukes that only let out neutron ray, but not alpha-ray, etc. So, when Jones concluded from this that no nuke had been used, most people believed him.
But, Dr. Ed Ward was an exception. He collected some dust at WTC and took it to a research labo and had it examined.Then, unusual amount of tritiums were found.
So, Ward wrote an (open) letter to S. Jones to ask this question. S. Jones basically neglected it. He still kept silent about it and promote only the thermite theory.
Probably, you can found some info on what's been going so far at Ward's webpage.Or, search with "Ed Ward & rense."
What is really amazing here is that Steven Jones is a well-known expert of COLD FUSION.He should have been the first person to investigate the micronike theory.
Risng Horus.
Rising, do you think Steven Jones is somehow siding with the US govt, while at the same time pretending to be with 911 truthers? A clever opportunist, in one word? I'll look up Ed Ward, thanks. Then there's James Fetzer who's a wholly micro-nuke man apparently, although he and Steven Jones co-founded the ScholarsFor911Truth.org website. The more one looks into it, the more mysterious the whole thing grows. Will we ever know the truth?
If anyone is interested in James Fetzer, they don't have to go far to find him. He practically tops the list of links on this blog under 911 Scholars.
How to explain.....
In my view, West is a sheep-shepherd society.
But, since there are several kind of sheeple, there are several kind of shepherds correspondingly.
Everyone here knows that 911 is a fake terror, so I would give an example of Chomsky.
There are people in West who oppose the Afgan/Iraq war, but do not (want to) realize 911 is a lie. I think Chomsky is a shepherd whose role is to lead these sheeple and, in particular, to keep them away from 911-inside-job theory.
In the same way as above, let me explain how I view S. Jones's role. It is impossible to completely suppress the Truth Movement, but rulers want to confine them in a certain small area. In other words, there are things rulers never want truthers to talk about.They are allowed to discuss thermite to some extent, but not pure hydrogen bombs. S. Jones's role, in my view, is to keep the truthers away from the micronuke theory,so that the Truth Movement is under cotrol. Aren't there many other "moles" in 911 Truth Movement?
Demise of West is impending. When it happens, we will see the truth come out.Even before that, a whistleblower or two may appear.
Let's wait for a while and have a huge party when it happens.
Rising Horus
Rising Horus, You voice very thoughtful considerations above. I specially like the way you spotted the Establishment role which has been devolved on someone like Noam Chomsky. As you say, S. Jones is probably in the same position as Chomsky as regards the man in the street - or should that be the sheep in the street?
As you can imagine, we too are eagerly awaiting the Demise of the West. Justice cries out for it. Tomorrow is the 7th anniversary of the shock and awe on Iraq. And all of it is still dragging on. Heartbreaking. Well, good nerves and patience are what the times require. We'll meet at that huge party, Horus, I promise we will.
US says base needed to defend Japan - 18.3.10
The United States has said that it needs to maintain a base on the Japanese island of Okinawa to defend the region, as the new government in Tokyo considers scrapping a previous plan.
Senior US officials told Congress that while they respected the decisions of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama's six-month-old government, they hoped to go ahead with a plan to move the Futenma air base within Okinawa.
Michael Schiffer, a senior Pentagon official, told a congressional panel that troops in Okinawa were the only ground forces "between Hawaii and India" which the United States could quickly deploy.
"The United States cannot meet its treaty obligations to defend Japan, cannot respond to humanitarian crises or natural disasters, cannot meet its commitments for regional peace and stability without forward deployed ground forces in Japan," he said.
He said the Futenma move was a "lynchpin" of a 2006 deal under which more than 8,000 US troops would leave Okinawa for the US territory of Guam. Under the agreement, Futenma would move from the crowded urban hub of Ginowan to a quiet village.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but which was the last country to actually attack Japan? Any comments on that, Rising Horus? I have always felt a great affinity with Japanese literature - and almost never have I found Japanese writers condemning US for what they did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I remember Kenzubore Oe, for instance, saying one should write about those vicious events now, before the last survivors had finally disappeared. But do you think he himself would have tackled the task? No way. Japan has placed a strange role in the world over the past sixty-five years. Let's hope they are finally beginning to change.
>17:44 On Futenma base;
I place the conclusion first. This time, it's Japan's victory. Since I am just another man who has no ability to analyse such a complicated matter, I introduce to you Prof. Soejima's opinion.
Put simply, the Futenma Problem is the red cloth in front of the American bull (Japan's is the bullfighter). Japan handlers from US were concentrated too much on this problem and could not get the entire picture of US-Japan relationship, i.e., how US dominates Japan. Needless to say, the most important one is how to decrease (or increase) the flow of money from Japan to US.
Let's meet a globalist Joseph Nye (Although he pretends to be a mild scholar, Nye is considered to be the boss of Japan Handlers in the Obama administration);
An Alliance Larger Than One Issue
By JOSEPH S. NYE Jr. Published: January 6, 2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/opinion/07nye.html
As the title indicates, Soejima guesses, Nye realized at this point that they was fooled.
What Nye says is that US may lose the "long-term strategy for East Asia" if it is bent on Futenma too much. In Nye's view, "a victory on Futenma could prove Pyrrhic." (Pyrrhic victory: a victory in a battlefield with too much cost, which is considered a loss politically)
Unlike his subordinates Michael Schiffer or Michael Green, Nye was cleverer. But, it was too late for USans to change courses, anyway.
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Prof. Soejima claims to be "Japan's immune system against the globalists" and has written a lot of books on this matter for more that 15 years. He publishes two books or so each year. Although he is basically neglected by Televisions ana Newspapers, most of his books rank at least No.3 or No. 5 in "Business/Politics section" of book stores' bestseller rankings. From this, one can see that, at least among the bookreading class, anti-globalist sentiment is high.
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If I have the time, I will explain who is Michael Schiffer or Joseph Nye in the next post.(also on K. Oe or Japanese literatures if possible.)
VIDEO: Was 9/11 an "Inside Job"? - 21.03.2010
9/11 Truthers attend "Treason in America" Conference
Global Research, March 20, 2010
RT - 2010-03-08
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18214
There is a growing number of Americans who believe 9/11 was an inside job. 9/11 truthers, as they are known, attended a two day conference that was called Treason in America, in the hopes of bringing awareness to their cause. Is this a signal that the movement is gaining traction.
Rising Horus, Thanks a lot for your fascinating account of what's happening in behind-the-scenes Japan. I eagerly look forward to hearing further on the epic bullfight between the Japanese and their erstwhile USan friends.
9/11 political correctness
They should come straight out with it i.e. that Israel and the CIA were involved in the deaths of 3000 Americans in a crime of treason and mass-murder the most heinous and outrageous that can be imagined. And very likely done with a micro-nuke as well.
Instead we are hearing watered-down, weak-winded phrases such as "was 9/11 an inside job?" or "may 9/11 have been an inside job?" If that is the best that can be heard on screen and in print they might as well give up and let themselves get buried under this conspiracy.
There are some big names out there who have already gone public on 9/11 such as actors and politicians and scientists. There is enough there now to take this right into people's living rooms.
Friday, 19 March 2010
The American Military now KNOWS Mossad carried out 9/11 Attacks
Gosh?
Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says that the military brass now know that Israel "and those traitors within our nation" committed the 911 attack.
This is very heartening.
This here is a very serious man. Look at his credentials.
He talks about how Mossad carried out 9/11, how the US military now know it and how, being one quarter Jewish himself he feels that there is a danger that people like him will likely 'go down' if this gets into the public domain but that would be "a price worth paying".
Now there's an American patriot.
This is moving stuff. God bless these brave people. The truth must out or we are all doomed.
Also, chappie Sabrosky promotes the controlled demolition view. Awfully serious stuff.
America's Thought Police - Jem Fetzer (22.3.10)
According to the “official account” of the destruction of the Twin Towers, the planes hit the buildings, the resulting fires weakened the steel, and a pancake collapse of one floor upon another ensued. But that description is not remotely consistent with the gross observable photo evidence. The buildings appear to be tuning into millions of cubic yards of fine dust:
“Revealing new aerial photos of 9/11 attack released”
James Fetzer, VoltaireNet, 18 February 2010
“New 9/11 Photos Released”
James Fetzer, 10 February 2010
Does this look remotely like a “pancake collapse” to you? A set of 9/11 photos were recently released which, when they are temporally sequenced, provide a glimpse of what was actually going on, which was no “pancake collapse.” Every American deserves to see that the “official account” cannot even accommodate the gross appearance of the Twin Towers as they were destroyed even below ground level.
No one knows exactly how this was done, It appears to have required a highly sophisticated combination of conventional and unconventional means. Once you understand that the sequence of events these photos display cannot have been the result of a “pancake collapse,” that there was no “collapse” at all as these two 500,000-ton buildings were converted into very fine dust, but that some complex form of a demolition under control was taking place and you begin to grasp why not even The Huffington Post or amazon.com can allow you the least glimpse of what actually happened on 9/11. It was indeed “the scamming of America” and the reasons appear to have had nothing to do with Islam or “Arab hijackers.”
CHARTING POST-9/11 DEATHS By SUSAN EDELMAN
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01062008/news/regionalnews/charting_post_9_11_deaths_653043.htm
【January 6, 2008 -- At least 204 Ground Zero rescue and recovery workers have died since 9/11
- succumbing to a range of cancers and other ailments, according to preliminary results of a
state Health Department study.
Researchers have confirmed 98 fatalities so far with death certificates.
They show that 77 died of illnesses, including 55 from lung and various other cancers,
the lead researcher told The Post. 】
More than 360 have died after work on 9/11 aftermath, NY says
Thursday May 08, 2008, 7:24 AM
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/05/more_than_360_have_died_after.html
More than 360 workers who dealt with the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center
have died, New York state health officials said Wednesday, according to a report in the New York Daily News.
The report said officials have determined the cause of death of 154 of the responders and volunteers who toiled
at Ground Zero, the blocks nearby and at the Fresh Kills landfill, where debris from the site was taken.Of those,
80 died of cancer.
"It's the tip of the iceberg," David Worby told the newspaper. He is is representing 10,000 workers - 600 with cancer
-who say they got sick after working on rescue and recovery efforts.
The cause of the cancer of the worker. It is caused by a pure hydrogen bomb!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HENbLXwA6o
I'm on your side, 05:30. And now what comes next?
Poll: Japan PM under pressure over US base
Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:05:25 GMT
Japan's Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama who pledged to take an independent stance from Washington is facing challenges over US military presence in the country. (23.3.10)
A new survey conducted by the Sankei newspaper showed Tuesday that more than 73 percent of respondents were unhappy with Hatoyama's management of the issue.
According to a 2006 deal, the two countries agreed to remove US forces of the Futenma Airbase from the crowded city of Ginowan on Okinawa to the coastal area of Nago.
During his last year's election campaign, the Japanese premier vowed to move the base off the southern island of Okinawa, but there is no sign of a possible alternative plan.
Nearly half of the voters believe Hatoyama should resign if he fails to resolve the problem by the end of May as he himself announced the May deadline.
According to the poll, nearly 85 percent of respondents said they were unimpressed with Hatoyama's leadership skills.
Accidents and crimes committed by US service personnel near Okinawa's residential areas have turned the local population against the presence of American forces there.
17:33 - The cancer victims had begun proceedings to sue the government apparently. And then the whole thing fell through. Today, it is harder to get justice done in the US than in war-torn Somalia.
Ground Zero workers settlement unfair: judge
March 20, 2010
A proposed 657-million-dollar health settlement for some 10,000 people who worked at Ground Zero after the September 11 attacks was too low and must be renegotiated, a judge ruled Friday.
“In my judgment, this settlement is not enough,” federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein said in New York after hearing two hours of testimony from plaintiffs in the huge case.
“There are some questions that have to be addressed,” he added, calling for “additional negotiations to come up with a fair deal.”
Last week, a preliminary deal was announced in which a government-funded insurance company would compensate more than 10,000 people claiming health problems from their work in the toxic debris of the World Trade Center, which was destroyed in the 2001 attacks.
Yet another scam? And there seems to have been no mention of the micro-nuke possibility in the proceedings.
The workers, who I termed 911’s Second Round of Slaughter in an article, did get to inhale for some period of time Ground Zero’s toxic brew straight from Pandora’s open box. That would be:
.Over 400 tons of asbestos, which inhaled in any quantity cannot be expelled by the lungs.
.90,000 liters of jet fuel containing benzene, a carcinogen that can suppress the immune systems and cause leukemia.
.Mercury from over 500,000 fluorescent lights that is toxic to the nervous system, and damaging especially to the kidneys.
.200,000 pounds of lead and cadmium from personal computers was toxic to the respiratory tract, especially damaging to kidneys.
.Polycystic aromatic hydrocarbons that cause lung, laryngeal and throat cancers.
.130,000 gallons of transformer oil, which contains PCBs ad causes serious skin rashes and liver damage.
.Crystalline Silica from 420,000 tons of concrete, sheetrock and glass (tiny particulates that lodge in the heart, causing ischemic heart disease).
The above facts come from filmmaker Heidi Dehncke’s amazing documentary, Dust to Dust: the health effects of 9/11. My article was a review of this excellent film. It pointed out that some 2,500 contaminants erupted from the explosions of the World Trade Center that felled Towers One, Two and Seven, plus the two, fuel-laden jetliners, turning into a toxic gray dust that hung in the air as well as settled in people’s lungs, including first responders, and on area streets, vehicles, buildings, residences, both outside and inside the city for months.
You can add to the list of deadly pollutants the red dust of nanothermite, an explosive discovered in the pile by physicist Steven Jones and his team of scientists. The red dust, aerosolized from the military explosive thermite by nanotechnology, was likely sprayed on walls and girders within the Towers. Ironically, Tower 7, the third tower to go down, was not hit by an airliner to ignite the heat-sensitive thermite.
Scam, definitely scam.
Thanks for reposting my information - here's the jist of some of my efforts on 911...
The US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm
Update: The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm
The 'Traces Of Tritium' WTC 9-11 Lie Is Obstruction Of Justice By Accessories To Murder
http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm
The Bogus Science (BS)
Of 'Explosive SuperThermite' Versus The Facts Of A 'Deflagration Compound'
http://www.rense.com/general77/geddno.htm
Recently Declassified Video of Testing of the First Micro Nuke - The Davey Crockett - 0.018 kiloton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I
Thermite?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/484
'Understanding The Scam of Thermite on 911' by 'Dick' Eastman/'Dr.' Jones
A simple rebuttal to the lunacy of http://www.rense.com/general86/therm.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/481
Ed Ward, MD
All of our so called "reform" groups are nothing but covert ops scamming the truth from family rights to 911, all set up to keep the real truth from being seen.
wakey, wakey...
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The latest on Nukes in the WTC. Some new stuff with updated links to older proof.
History Channel Molten Metal At Ground Zero - The World Trade Center, Rise and Fall of an American Icon, Richard Riggs amongst a background of nuclear devastation talks about molten metal. 42 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI
Molten WTC Rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8&feature=related
Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMLDG87Sak&feature=related
A nice compilation of 'molten steel' observations. Excerpt from Blueprint for Truth. 8 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJSDn5dgJc&feature=related
The Mystery of WTC 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVs4oMQEpvs&feature=related
For the referenced facts see what's been being hidden by most 'truth' orgs for 6 years.
US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs http://www.serendipity.li/wot/ed_ward/use_of_abombs.htm
Update: The US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs – Domestic – WTC http://www.usavsus.info/WTC-MoreEvidence.htm
Update: Proven 9-11 Nukes = US Government Involvement http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/proven-9-11-nukes-us-government-involvement/ Updated Broken Links
'9-11 Fake Video' Stars – The JSTAR Clones http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm
Why Covert Ops Must Have `Fake' Video
No Windows on Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related
Ed Ward, MD
Ed Ward MD's Weblog of Tyranny http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ http://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/
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